Switching from Pastor to pastor – by Erika Funk

It can be life-giving, energy-renewing, and most of all surprising.

From Theresa’s introductory blog.

Five years ago I was ready for a switch, a movement as Theresa offered.  The shift I made was moving across country.  But out of all the switches I made in that move the literal move was the least well …“switchy”.  It required the least amount of processing, counseling, internal questioning and lamenting.

The switch that was more difficult, as you probably have guessed, was the one I had to make as a pastor, it was an internal switch, a move no car could travel for me.  For most of my 18 years of ordained ministry as a Presbyterian Pastor I have worked in fairly traditional churches, all in the Reformed tradition, so there became many assumptions I could make about myself and my role as a pastor that I hadn’t questioned in years.

My old assumptions:

  • People go to church.  They just do.  Because they want to.
  • Those people who come, come often and for the long haul.
  • A female pastor is treated or should expect to be treated the same as a male pastor.
  • Preaching means you are probably a pastor.  A “real” pastor.
  • My salary will be taken care of.
  • Your budget is directed by pledges and stewardship is just a season.
  • If you need to plug it in or turn it on chances are you can and it will.
  • Plaster is unlikely to fall onto the heads of parishioners during worship.

Since we’re speaking of assumptions you can probably make a few of your own about my current situation based on the list above.  (like urban, old building and poor).  If you’re guessing I serve a financially struggling, younger, more contemporary congregation in an old building…. You’re not wrong.  This is the situation for many urban pastors.

My “switch”

I’ve really had to change some of my assumptions about who comes to church and why.  And what I expect of them.  I also had to accept the fact that it wasn’t just that some people didn’t have time for church or even that they didn’t want to come to church, they really, really could care less about church.  As painful as it was to understand how hurt many people have been by the church, I also had to learn that for most people church is simply irrelevant.  It’s not that they hate church; they don’t think anything about church.  It’s about as relevant and useful as a landline.  For some people church is just the preschool or where they donate their annual closet purge for the rummage sale or where they get married.  But most people don’t use church for church.  As Troy said of Britta, “She was born in the 80s, she uses a phone as a phone.”*  To use church in the sense of community, a place to understand and live out God’s word, where the world’s servants are grown, called and sent?  No, a church is probably just a place that tells time (if you have a bell tower).   We have to re-define what it means to be the church to the general public not so that they will become pledging units but just so that people may care again about life, Word and good news.

Lost and Found

At first I would have said the hardest part was not being taken seriously as a female pastor.  I thought those days of having to prove myself were behind me.  They were not, but I learned at least one thing from this.  It’s not always a bad thing to have to prove yourself now and then, especially when you think you’re way past that.  At first you work extra hard just so people will take you seriously because you’re young, or a minority or inexperienced.  And it pays off; you become sensitive to other’s perceptions and motivated to understand them.  You walk into a room knowing there will be doubters and so you do your homework beforehand so you can crush those doubts.   (you thought I was going to say “crush those doubters”, didn’t you?)  There’s an edge, a Sasha Fierceness that can really get the creative juices going.

After a few years, a kind of false tenure sets in.  You think you’ve earned your stripes, you’re in the club and they can’t that away from you.  True, but so what?  Where did I get this idea that just because I’d hit a decade or two of ordained ministry that meant I knew everything?  Or that people should assume I knew everything?  I can’t fully explain why so many people asked for the “real pastor” when they first met me, but I’ll tell you it made me ask some tough but important questions.

  • In a post-institutional world, where titles mean less, how do I know when I have become a pastor in my community’s eyes?
  • If my gender or my title or my preaching does not engender trust, authority or confidence….then what does?
  • If I must rely fully on the work of the Spirit and my own authenticity then how must I abide in this community?   And where will my own confidence come from if not from my years of experience?

Success

Uncovering my own resentment about titles revealed some assumptions about church success. If I was going to come to terms with a different definition of “pastor”, I would have to do the same with “church”.   One of my remaining fears is that church is only for those who can pay for it.  On almost any level our church would be labeled a healthy growing dynamic congregation by these markers:

  • Most of our congregation is made up of the coveted “young adult” 20-30 year olds.
  • Handfuls of new people appear every week for worship.
  • Adult baptisms
  • A widely known positive reputation in town
  • Most of our budget goes to mission and outreach in the community

But by other markers we are failing:

  • We have no members, no pledging units and no committee members (granted we have no committees – which most of the time is a wonderful thing)
  • Most people leave after 18 months
  • It’s hard to get people to come to church on days other than Sunday
  • Our weekly monetary offering in worship is purely an act of discipleship.  It barely covers the light bill for that day.
  • Did I mention the falling plaster?

If the people who worship together on Sunday, pray together, serve together and eat together are the poor and marginalized can we still afford to open our doors and call ourselves “church”?  If I change these definitions of “pastor” and “church” will I also change my assumptions about success, happiness, and satisfaction?  I have to, but it doesn’t happen overnight and it doesn’t always stick.  At times I still wish for things to be easier and more predictable.

But that’s not why I moved.

*quoted from NBC’s Community

Native to the California beaches, Erika Funk now resides in the hustle and bustle of downtown Philadelphia.  As a pastor at Broad Street Ministry and the director of the BSM Youth Initiative, she finds renewal in cups of tea, water ice and dreams of the Irish Sea.

9 thoughts on “Switching from Pastor to pastor – by Erika Funk

  • April 25, 2012 at 2:58 am
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    Erika, Thank you so much for these thoughts and sharing the wisdom you’ve gained over these 18 years. I am contemplating accepting a call to a ministry I once felt excluded from pursuing. Your questions about how to ‘be’ church in the contemporary world encourages me. The poor and the marginalized, the sick at heart and the hopeless — they are the ones who have been given the keys to the (pardon me) kingdom.

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  • April 25, 2012 at 5:04 am
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    Erica, I am proud of you and all you have learned and shared. I enjoyed reading a little more about the inner you. Your comments were thought provoking and intelligent. They made me think of Amor’s theme this year in Mexico. It was “Be The Story”. Which to me means simple put, You don’t need to peach the word as much as being the word. I believe from your blog that you are “being the word”. It would be great if all of your congregation stuck around just to hear you talk and supported you so that the church would survive comfortably, but that is not the case. If members are only staying for 18 months, who’s to say that they’re not going out and in some way spreading Gods word that they may have learned through you? Be the Story. To Me, this is what you are doing. I also believe that this is what Jesus would do. During a very hard time in my life, My Grandfather once told me that a persons faith during ones lifetime goes through a series of plateaus. I think your about to move to the next plateau. I hope that you continue to be happy and we miss you in P/ville.

    Gordo

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  • April 25, 2012 at 1:18 pm
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    I add my words of thanks, Erika, for your prespective on changing from Pastor to pastor. It stirs me to think about the challenge of redefining my own pastoral role as one who does not currently serve the church in a “called/installed” position. How does one define oneself as a Teaching Elder in this denomination of ours? How does one define oneself as a minister, yet not in a church? And how is this relevant to people in the real world?

    Thanks for stirring my thoughts!

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  • April 25, 2012 at 3:42 pm
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    Good stuff Erika! Church is increasingly irrelevant to broader and broader swaths of people – including people who attend church out of habit, but don’t really know why anymore.

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  • April 25, 2012 at 6:08 pm
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    A new soul sister is in the region! I am located in Doylestown and would love to meet you for a cup of coffee and some conversation. As a spiritual director, I too applaud your willingness to be the story as Gordon said in his reply. Inspirational and a mirror of what I too have been noticing about church and society.

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  • April 25, 2012 at 8:29 pm
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    As I offered on my FBpage, these words are tweeking my head and heart! I was really drawn to the relevancy framing. What came up for me is how often I can run into a person, after they may get to know me for a bit (take 10 minutes) and then they reflect, “wow, you really are a pastor and really at a real church? Uh, if I knew there were more pastors like you, then maybe I would go to church”. I am struck as I want to shout, there are tons of folks, “like” me. But I am also struck with, what does that mean for you? What is it that, in this moment, out of this relationship, you know are rethinking church? Of course I have only had the guts to ask that once and with a lot of grace the person stuck around for a conversation. But usually, I just keep it in my head! I wish I did not. I assume the worst, they really do not want to have that conversation. But maybe they do and i could learn a lot more about articulating “success”. I like what it looks like in your relevant world: worship, prayer, partnership, service, mission…Alleluia!

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  • April 25, 2012 at 9:22 pm
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    Funk! Thanks for the words. I constantly find myself comparing my ministry experiences to my time at BSM. You really capture the unique divide between expectations and reality well. As exciting as it is to tell stories of BSM, it’s ten times more frustrating to try to replicate models that “work” for churches that are trying to be ‘relevant’ to keep people in their doors. Yet just as you say, it’s the definitions that must change, and this is only the beginning. And it’s often all uphill from there. No need to re-hash our denominational struggles here, I know you’re well aware, just wanted to drop you a line. Hope to see you soon.

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  • April 26, 2012 at 12:11 pm
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    Beth HH, you’ve raised some good questions. I hadn’t even thought about the new title Presbyterian Church USA is using for its ordained leaders – but yes, titles do mean something and can mess with our heads! Your question also reminds us we need new definitions for “church” especially in a day when traditional church is not where many people relate to God… so where do pastors do their ministry?

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  • April 27, 2012 at 2:48 pm
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    Just one more comment from me in response to Aric – its a good point you bring up that in addition to those who don’t attend church because they find it irrelevant I do think there are many who attend church but aren’t able to articulate why beyond feelings of warmth and being known. I feel like I am constantly pondering the question “what does it mean to uniquely be God’s people – gathered together in this place?” And what difference does that make to the broader community?

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